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Atheist and agnostic — might you be both?

What’s the difference between an atheist and an agnostic?

One of my atheist friends recently surprised me by describing himself as a Buddhist. I tried not to do a double-take, reminding myself that is possible to distinguish ‘Buddhism the Religion’ from ‘Buddhism the Philosophy’ or ‘Buddhism the Set of Interesting Practices’. Still, it seemed incongruous.

And then there’s my other friend who describes himself as an ‘agnostic’, but doesn’t really disagree with me, the atheist, on any major points. He just seems reluctant to define himself as an atheist.

Deciding what a word ‘means’ can be a tricky proposition, especially on this issue when self-identification comes into it. People are defining ‘atheist’ and ‘agnostic’ by the beliefs of people they know who identify as atheists and agnostics (perhaps even themselves). I’ve met enough meat-eating vegetarians to know that this isn’t the most reliable kind of definition. Then some helpful soul comes running into the discussion with a dictionary, telling us about word parts, and insisting that the etymology of a word is its ‘true meaning’. Which is nonsense, because word meanings change over time, and words mean what speakers think they mean. (Except when the speakers are wrong because they disagree with us more knowledgeable folk.)

Word-watcher that I am, I’d normally observe the debate and not influence it. But as an atheist, it’s a different story. I’ve noticed that the popular definition of these terms is often at variance with what atheists and agnostics actually think, and that ought to count for something. So in this post, I’d like to discuss the definitions of a*ism, and see if we can describe them more accurately in terms of what people (a*ists and not) mean by these terms.

As a English-speaking youth, before I’d thought about this area very much, I absorbed these definitions:

atheist: someone who knows (believes very strongly, is absolutely certain that) there’s no god
agnostic: someone who doesn’t know if there’s a god or not

That is, the difference (I thought) was one of degree of certainty.

At the time, it didn’t seem to me that this ‘atheist position’ was very tenable. How could you be certain that something didn’t exist? You’d have to have a knowledge of everything that existed to know that something wasn’t on the list. Which, ironically, would make you God, or something close.

Well, imagine my surprise to find that no atheist I talked to held that point of view. No atheist I’ve met on- or off-line has professed absolute certainty that god does not exist, though there are some ‘strong atheists’ out there. Instead, atheists I have met reject gods because there’s no evidence for them, and many have expressed willingness to change their minds if evidence turns up.

So if certainty is not the defining characteristic of an atheist, what is? Simply: belief. Atheists believe there are no gods. Here comes the etymology: a, ‘without’ + theos, ‘god’. Someone who is without a god.

Now for agnostic. Etymology: a, ‘not’ + gnosos, ‘knowledge’, or ‘one who doesn’t know’.

A browse of various dictionaries suggests that agnosticism is less about intensity of belief and more of a philosophical stance involving the knowability of god, usually expressed by these two ideas:

1) An agnostic doesn’t know whether gods exist
2) An agnostic thinks the whole question isn’t really knowable

I find both of these ideas perfectly reasonable — to a point. Can we know if a god really exists, if that god hides from people and is perfectly good at covering her tracks? No, any more than we can know about UFO’s or invisible pink unicorns. Where I differ from agnostics is what to do about it. With no supporting evidence, I just assume it’s all bogus, but I’ll re-examine if need be. The agnostic reserves judgement, as though the two possibilities are equiprobable, and that’s simply not justified by the data we have.

What I get from these definitions is that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive categories. They’re describing two different things. Here are, I think, more accurate descriptions:

agnostic: Someone who recognises that the ‘existence of gods’ issue can’t be proven either way with the evidence we have. Agnosticism tells more about what you know about the ontological issues surrounding supernatural beings.
atheist: Someone who doesn’t believe that gods exist. Whether you’re an atheist or not has more to do with what your conclusion, yes or no, given all of the uncertainty surrounding the issue.

That explains why my self-described agnostic friend and I agree on the issues. He doesn’t know if gods exist, and to be perfectly honest, I don’t know either, I just don’t find the evidence compelling. So in that sense, my friend and I are both agnostic. And neither of us really thinks that gods exist, though we’re open to evidence. So in that sense we’re both atheists. I’m just more willing to call myself an atheist than he is.

We could plot individuals on a graph:


Quadrant 1 is me, the non-believer who nonetheless says you can’t be absolutely certain either way. Quadrant 2 is the believing agnostic, also known as ‘the bet-hedger’. (If I were a god, I would send them to hell for believing in me in such a gain-driven and cowardly way.) Quadrant 3 is the believer, and in quadrant 4 we could perhaps find the ‘strong atheist’.

These definitions are pretty close to what people already think the terms mean. Defining them this way emphasises certain aspects of a*ism in a way that helps to explain the variation in belief that we see, and gets rid of a lot of overlap between the terms.

People will still define atheism and agnosticism variously, but there are signs that this view I have presented has some acceptance. I was somewhat startled at this site, devoted to sorting out frequently confused words. The entry for ‘atheist’ reads:

atheist: one who assumes there are no gods or divinities but will accept the possibility should extraordinary evidence occur
agnostic: one who believes the existence of God cannot be proved or disproved

I fully approve.

Tire gauge Republicans

There’s a group of people in America that refuse to take personal responsibility for their problems. They just want the government to do everything for them. They’re called Republicans.

Look at the current tire gauge flap. Obama mentioned in a recent campaign speech that keeping tires inflated could help improve gas mileage. The McCain team has gone nuts over the matter, claiming (dishonestly) that tire gauges represent the whole of Obama’s energy policy. They’d rather drill the Arctic instead.

See, they could take responsibility for making sure that their cars are tuned up properly and have the tires inflated to the right pressure. But they’re too lazy and irresponsible. So instead they want the government to give the go-ahead on more drilling. But giving them more oil will just keep them addicted.

It seems the Democratic Party stands for personal responsibility. Those Republicans are always looking for government handouts.

Deconversion stories: The Dude with the Horns

As a religious youth, I was told about Satan. The Adversary. The Tempter. The one who puts all the backwards messages in records. Mormons don’t dwell on the Devil — I heard people say it gave him more ‘power’ — but he was always there hovering around the periphery of my morality.

The Satan meme is a real mindfuck. There’s a totally evil supernatural person who wants you to do bad things. Don’t do what Satan wants. How do you know what Satan wants? It’s bad. What makes something ‘bad’? Satan wants you to do it. And round it goes. Figuring out what Satan wants you to do is like asking who the Terrists want you to vote for. Could they do the ol’ Double Reverse Psychological Fake-out? And of course, if someone starts to question the teaching of the religion, who’s been putting those thoughts into your head? Yep. Better get back in line.

Satan isn’t just a great control tool. He’s a dodge to the problem of Evil. If God’s good and in charge, why do evil things happen? For some reason, saying ‘You are evil’ wasn’t the answer people liked, so Satan did the trick. Why is there evil? Satan. There you go. God is still good, but he wants to see if you’ll follow him or the Devil.

P.S. You are evil.

And it answered a whole lot. Why do ouija boards seem to work? Satan (or one of his many helpers) is moving the table thing. Why do I want to do bad things? You’re being tempted by Satan, he’s putting thoughts into your head. (Another mindfuck. An invisible person is putting thoughts in my head? Scary!) Why are there so many religions? Satan is deceiving people and leading them astray. Satan Satan Satan. Very useful. If he didn’t exist, we’d have to invent him.

As it seems we did. This page tells how Satan doesn’t appear to be much of a character in early Hebrew lore (talking snakes notwithstanding). The Hebrew word s’tn simply means ‘adversary’ or ‘opposer’. In 1 Samuel 29:4, it tells how the Philistines mistrusted David, fearing that he would be a ‘satan’, or someone who would oppose them. Only later after the Hebrews ran into the Persians with their Zoroastrian dualism did Satan become an actual character, and for a while there he and the Lord were pretty chummy (see Job).

For me, Satan’s undoing was when I ran into this page about the Ouija Board that church leaders so straitly charged me not to play with.

Some users believe that paranormal or supernatural forces are at work in spelling out Ouija board answers. Skeptics believe that those using the board either consciously or unconsciously move the pointer to what is selected. To prove this, simply try it blindfolded for some time, having an innocent bystander take notes on what words or letters are selected. Usually, the results will be unintelligible.

So the church leaders were right, but they had the wrong reason. You shouldn’t play with the thing, but because it’s stupid, not satanic. A scary spiritual phenomenon had a perfectly sane material explanation. I wonder what else does, thought I.

I reviewed my knowledge of the Horned One, and found that he’s usually held responsible for three things:

  1. Temptation
  2. Deception
  3. Possession

But, you say, what about reality TV?

That falls under ‘Possession’.

Let’s take them one by one.

Temptation. Do people really think that a spirit being is somehow… what, whispering to you? And then you want to do bad things? How would that happen? This has the whiff of dissociation. Why not take responsibility for your own desires?

Deception. Well, the world is a confusing place. It’s easy to be mistaken. But I’ve found that the one who deceives me the most is good old me. No need to blame an invisible being.

Possession can be explained these days by mental illness, though it must have seemed devilishly scary to people in New Testament times.

In short, everything that people blame Satan for can be explained simply, materially, and non-mysteriously, leaving Satan as rather extraneous. Our theory works just as well without him. Occam’s Razor claims another victim.

Once I’d got that settled, it was the beginning of the end for supernaturalism. Turn it around, and suddenly everything we thought god did turns out to be the product of natural forces. No gods. No devils. No angels or demons. Just gravitation, evolution and us, working for good or ill. But then I suppose that’s just what Satan would want me to think.

A true believer in the audience isn’t satisfied. But if there’s no Satan, he wails, then why is the world getting worse and worse?

It’s not, but with that attitude I suppose you can make it as bad as you want.

‘Academic Freedom’ bills: Because you shouldn’t have to put up with ideas you don’t already agree with.

When time travel becomes possible, I’m not going to kill Hitler like a lot of people do. I’m gunning for Rupert Murdoch. You Americans may be upset that you have to put up with Fox News, but we’ve still got his newspapers pumping out slime. Like this:

University is not place to crush ideas

Sinister was the word chosen by The Sydney Morning Herald to describe the campaign launched by the Young Liberals at university campuses under the slogan “Education, not indoctrination”.

Remove the SMH filter and here’s the story: a group of Young Liberals is concerned that students are sometimes forced to endure indoctrination by university academics. Their aim is to encourage freedom of thought and intellectual pluralism on campus. Some may say their goal is naive. Universities have always been bastions of left-wing thought. But sinister?

Yes, sinister.

A bit of background from Greg’s blog:

“Academic Freedom” bills seem to come in two flavors: Those that protect students from the possibility of learning certain things, and those that protect subversive teachers from getting in trouble for being bad teachers. In both cases, they are bills typically introduced into state legislatures by conservative republicans expressing concern with the Liberal Bias. There is a vague institutional connection between the concept of Academic Freedom Bills and the organization founded by conservative David Horowitz, “Students for Academic Freedom.” The motto of this organization is “You can’t get a good education if they’re only telling you half the story.”

The core idea of this form of “Academic Freedom” is this: David Horowitz and his ilk define certain issues, or positions on issues, as legitimate perspectives even if the preponderance of evidence denies this legitimacy. For instance, the reality and importance of global warming as a phenomenon, as an economic problem, and as an ecological crisis is not valid according to the right wing. Global warming is only acceptable as a topic of study in an educational setting if it is taught along side “alternative” views that suggest that it is just as likely, or more likely, that global warming is a left wing conspiracy, or that the evidence for global cooling is just as strong, or that there is widespread verifiable evidence that what some see as global warming is entirely within the range of natural climatic variation. Evolution or Darwinism has never explained the evolution of a single species, nature is too complex to be explained by Natural Selection, and “alternative theories” such as Intelligent Design Creationism are at least as valid as the Theory of Evolution. And so on.

So in essence, conservatives are saying, “We’re losing the argument, so we’ll call it a draw.”

I’m no fan of conservatives, but don’t you kind of wish for the days when they at least acted like conservatives? Now they’re acting like reality deniers with a PR engine.

I’m talking about the capital-M Market, that wonderful thing they always told us would make everything all right. How to fix Social Security? What to do about minimum wage? Or inflation? Market, market, market. Until the market doesn’t give them what they want. Gay marriage? Teaching creationism in schools? Liberal professors? There oughta be a law!

Let me put it in terms that even David Horowitz can understand. The university is a marketplace of ideas. If something doesn’t get bought in the marketplace, it gets sent to the remainder pile along with the hamburger earmuffs. Academics, who are usually a bit on the smarter side, have a general tendency to not believe the most incredibly stupid ideas. Conservative ideas, being on the stupid side, will naturally be a minority view in all but the most religious universities.

It does no good to try and force conservative ideas into the university using pressure groups. Let the market decide. If they’re good ideas, they’ll get adopted in the long term. Don’t like having Marxists in PoliSci departments? Neither do I! Yet these PoliSci profs, having devoted their lives to the study of politics and economy, are probably going to have a more informed view on this than I, just like I’ll have a better idea of things in language policy or syntax. Leave them to it. Maybe they’ll write something interesting that I’ll learn from. Maybe not.

Here’s an example quoted in the article:

Jamie, an 18-year-old student at the University of Sydney, saw teachers [promoting politics in the classroom] last year during her HSC.

She told The Australian her legal studies teacher at her school in northern Sydney “found it very difficult to give an unbiased perspective, especially when we were studying Work Choices. And I was told if I didn’t write an essay that was anti-WC, it would not do very well. One day (the teacher) walked into the classroom saying: “I love Kevin Rudd.” I said to her a couple of times: “But, Miss, you shouldn’t be putting so much of your opinion into this.” Her teacher told her it was impossible to keep opinion out of legal studies.

Says Jamie: “I don’t think that’s correct. Whatever (the teacher’s) opinion, it should not be brought into teaching.”

Now, if a student feels their work has been downgraded unfairly, my university (along with most universities I know of) provides options to have their work examined by others, and an investigation can be made. These systems are already in place.

But preventing that teacher from giving her opinions in class, where the subject matter is a legitimate subject of study, would in fact be suppression of liberal opinion. Which I suppose is the point. These bills aren’t about academic freedom; they’re a sneaky attempt at meme propagation.

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