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Theologians of the week

Here are some stories of faith from the news this week. I won’t say they’re heart-warming, but they will raise your temperature.

Miss Beverly Hills 2010 Lauren Ashley reminded us that yes, the Bible really does say that gay men should be killed.

“The Bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman. In Leviticus it says, ‘If man lies with mankind as he would lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.’ The Bible is pretty black and white.”

By Jove, she’s right. Of course, Deuteronomy says that you should kill anyone not of your religion. Wonder why she didn’t mention that?

Well, even though she didn’t take it all the way, you must admire her courage in not soft-pedaling her holy book.

• Evangelical Christians in Haiti attack a vodou ceremony, and the vodou leader is not pleased.

Some of the fresh converts have said they did so because they believed God caused the earthquake.

“It will be war – open war,” Max Beauvoir, supreme head of Haitian voodoo, said in an interview at his home and temple outside the capital.

“It’s unfortunate that at this moment where everybody’s suffering, that they have to go into war. But if that is what they need, I think that is what they’ll get.”


“I would like to see each one of them tied up in ropes and thrown in the sea, and I hope the best of them will be able to catch a plane and run away and leave in peace,” the voodoo priest said. “Because this is what we need right now — peace.”

Which is more notable: the Haitians Christians for their commitment to religious tolerance? or Mr Beauvoir for his dedication to the cause of peace?

• A Christian couple in California is up for murder for killing their daughter, who challenged their god-given authority by mispronouncing words from a book she was reading.

Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz, the Paradise couple accused of murdering their 7-year-old adopted daughter during a discipline session last Saturday morning were arraigned in court Tuesday. The couple is also charged with the torture of their 11-year-old adopted daughter, who remains in critical condition at a Sacramento hospital, and a misdemeanor count of cruelty to a child for signs of bruising discovered on their 10-year-old biological son.

Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey said both girls sustained extensive bruising and whip-like marks on their bodies that were consistent with a 15-inch length of rubber or flexible plastic tubing – commonly found in toilet tanks.

This method of discipline is favoured by Michael Pearl of the ‘No Greater Joy‘ ministry. From the Pearl link:

This is a practical look at spanking children. Parents must understand that spanking is just one element in God’s child training program. It is essential, but is not the whole—only a part. Nor is it the most important part. Important yes, but not all-important.

What instrument would I use?
As a rule, do not use your hand. Hands are for loving and helping. If an adult swings his or her hand fast enough to cause pain to the surface of the skin, there is a danger of damaging bones and joints. The most painful nerves are just under the surface of the skin. A swift swat with a light, flexible instrument will sting without bruising or causing internal damage. Many people are using a section of ¼ inch plumber’s supply line as a spanking instrument. It will fit in your purse or hang around you neck. You can buy them for under $1.00 at Home Depot or any hardware store. They come cheaper by the dozen and can be widely distributed in every room and vehicle. Just the high profile of their accessibility keeps the kids in line.

Pearl (and the Schatz’s) is only following the biblical doctrine that if you train a child up in the way they should go, they will not depart from it. Also, that children need to submit to ‘the rod’ — after all, they won’t die (unless they do), and you’ll save their soul from hell. If a parent needs to give their children regular thrashings so they’ll continue in the religion of their parents — well, this simply shows the difficulty of raising godly children in these secular times.

If you’re interested in NGJ Ministries, why not check out their Facebook group?

• Also in parenting news, a Baltimore mom is on the stand for starving her one-year-old for not saying ‘amen’ at a mealtime prayer. You wouldn’t think a child that age would be saying much at all, but it took a perceptive religious leader to notice that the child had an evil spirit.

Ramkissoon told the tale of her son’s excruciating death from the witness stand on Wednesday, at the trial of the woman she says told her not to feed the boy. Queen Antoinette was the leader of a small religious cult, according to police and prosecutors, and she faces murder charges alongside her daughter, Trevia Williams, and another follower, Marcus A. Cobbs.

Many parents have let their children die for lack of medical treatment due to their religion, but this story stands out for the mother’s unquestioning faith that her baby could be raised back to life, New Testament-style.

Javon died in either December 2006 or January 2007; Ramkissoon isn’t sure of the exact date. His body was hidden in a suitcase for more than a year and has since been buried. But even now, she maintains her faith in his resurrection.

“I still believe that my son is coming back,” Ramkissoon said. “I have no problem saying what really happened because I believe he’s coming back.

“Queen said God told her he would come back. I believe it. I choose to believe it,” she said. “Even now, despite everything, I choose to believe it for my reasons.”

Later, she acknowledged that her faith makes her sound crazy. “I don’t have a problem sounding crazy in court,” she said.

Even though the sunk-cost fallacy virtually ensures that the mother will never break free of her delusion, she makes the list for her devotion and unquestioning faith in her religious leader and the healing power of the resurrection.

We’ll be back with even more stories of faith in the near future.

7 Comments

  1. Fuck!!! I have been so blind. Thank you for highlighting these things. Someone wrote this to me today –

    "Also, I didn't have time to exploit myself or feel the need to diarise my every inactive move, notion or thought. Dude, just live and let live. So church is boring and a bit and starchy, but at the end of the day it is what it is and you're not contracted to be there, right. Theres no need to defame it. You know it's true, but you don't wanna be there, so what, who cares. Or maybe you don't. I know Catholics who know what goes on there, but would never defame and crucify the Catholic church. "

    Religions are not above scrutiny as probably all of your readers are well aware but unfortunately this person who wrote to me today is an example of those who prefer to protect the criminals.

  2. There are two possibilities here:

    1) This is a Mormon who wishes you'd leave the church alone. I must say, it would be a bit rich for a Mormon to say 'live and let live.'

    2) This is a person from a more casual faith, who (I'm sorry) will never be able to understand what it's like to leave the religion that they've been taught for the whole of their lives is the One True Faith, and that if they ever leave it, they will become a drug-addicted chain-smoking hedonistic empty shell of a person.

    I hope this person is a 2), because if they're aware of the indoctrination, it's a bit late for them to turn around and say, Chill out, man, what's the problem? Just go quietly.

    Or perhaps it's a 1) trying to sound like a 2). I can't tell.

  3. They are someone who believes that they are an authority figure on how an ex-mormon should behave because they were inactive for a while. They are a TBM but with very little knowledge of church history. (So it's kind of more like a 2 pretending to be a 1, I mean they even told me that I know the church is true, that was a surprise)

    What is sad about this interaction for me is that now I can see how atrocities occur in the name of God (such as the ones you have outlined in this Post). Some people forget to use their own brains because they're happy to be robots in the hope of some eternal bliss in the next life. How sad that some people are willing to do such heinous things or allow such things to occur by protecting religions.

  4. Sam Harris makes the argument that it's the moderate religionists that make the extremists possible, since they lend a respectable and mild-mannered veneer to what is potentially (and often literally) a dangerous world-view.

    I actually think that if someone's a 'good person', their religion can induce them to do some good things. Religion in the hands of a 'bad person' is a terrible thing (think Fred Phelps).

    But we can all think of cases where a good person can be induced to do bad things because their religion tells them to. They ostracise family members and friends, they coerce their children into authoritarian belief systems, and sometimes beat their kids, because that's what the omnipotent god requires, and who are they to argue with god?

  5. Well anyhow, "Drug-addicted chain-smoking hedonistic empty shell of a person" is really just a post-modern condition….

  6. I thought it was a Myers-Briggs personality type.

  7. !!!! Perhaps someone could develop an analogous test and revolutionise the corporate world by using it as an archetypal personality type.

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