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Catholic archbishop goes all Godwin on our ass

I love how Catholic leaders are being forced to deal with the so-called New Atheism in public nowadays. But they’re going overboard. Usually we’re just accused of being mean to people. Now Archbishop Anthony Fisher is saddling us with the collective baggage of the 20th century. It’s not a new tactic, but one would think a Catholic archbishop would be a mite careful about criticising another philosophy for rotten things done in its name. Sadly, irony doesn’t seem to be his strong point.

GODLESSNESS and secularism led to Nazism, Stalinism, mass murder and abortion, according to Anthony Fisher, the new Archbishop of Parramatta, who has used his inaugural Easter message to launch a scathing attack on atheism, while ignoring the sex abuse scandals besieging the Catholic Church worldwide.

It’s a bit rich for a Catholic archbishop to be claiming Nazism is a consequence of atheism. Hitler was a Catholic, and was never excommunicated. The failure of Pope Pius XII to act during the Holocaust is a modern tragedy, and it’s telling that the current pope has venerated him, a step on the road to sainthood.

How anyone can claim Hitler was an atheist is beyond me. He said in speeches that he felt he was doing God’s work. Maybe Hitler didn’t believe it. Maybe he was hypocritically mouthing religious platitudes to get people to agree with him. All the more reason to be suspicious of politicians who claim to be religious. But Hitler did claim to be on the side of the Big Guy. Check out the belt buckle for one example. If your German is as rusty as mine, here’s a hint: “Gott Mit Uns” does not mean “We have gloves on”.

That’s Hitler. But what about Stalin and Pol Pot, and the terrible things they did in the name of atheism? Oh, that’s right, they didn’t do those things in the name of atheism. They did them in the name of Communism and the Khmer Rouge. Though they were atheists, the atrocities they committed were done to further their political goals, not to promote atheism.

I’m not trying to say that atheists can’t do rotten things. Anyone can when they’re in the grip of an absolutist philosophy, whether religious or political. But name me anyone who’s killed people or started a war to promote secular rationalism. No one does. It just isn’t in our line.

For the record, I don’t blame Catholicism or Christianity for mass murder either (except in those cases where an ideological link can be made). People seem to pick up these ideologies and use them for their own ends, and it’s a shame. Someday maybe someone will shoot up a high school and claim it was for atheism. It never seems to happen — violent ideologies seem to be religion-based more often than not — but it might someday. If it does, I’ll say the same thing I’m saying today: inflexible ideologies in the hands of unbalanced people are a problem. But that doesn’t describe your average New Atheist, who usually just wants to talk about secular issues (often at a pub), and who doesn’t believe in supernatural beings without adequate evidence.

At least Fisher didn’t accuse atheists of systematic child sex abuse. That would have been a giveaway.

UPDATE: Atheists hit back.

The Atheist Foundation of Australia said on Friday Dr Jensen’s claims were “preposterous” and condemned Christianity for a spate of child sex abuse scandals.

“He seeks out a scapegoat and attacks atheism without any understanding of what he is saying,” foundation president David Nicholls said.

“To state we hate his god or are attacking his god is nonsense.

“How does one hate or attack that which does not exist?”

Another conversation I learned something from

Global Atheist Con, Day 3: Richard Dawkins

Richard Dawkins blew onto the stage at the Melbourne Convention Centre, blinding us all with science and leaving us breathless with his speech about gratitude. Yes, gratitude. Here were the main points.

Life is highly unlikely, especially our own existence. We don’t know how many times life has arisen in the universe. It may be that there’s a bubbleverse — a collection of universes that appear as bubbles in foam. In which case, our universe was one of the successful ones. In our universe, there are six different physics constants, and if any of them had been different, the universe would not have arisen. Twiddle the gravitation constant, and the universe might have collapsed onto itself in the first few femtoseconds. But why should we say that a god twiddled the knobs?

Dawkins: To postulate a divine knob-twiddler…
Audience: (Ribald laughter)
Dawkins: … Why is that funny? To postulate a divine tuner
Audience: (Raucous laughter)

We should feel gratitude to be alive. But gratitude to who?

We have inbuilt urges, even though cognitively we may no longer have the need for such urges. Feelings of gratitude (like the ones religious believers express to a god) may be hold-overs from earlier useful urges. For example, beavers locked in concrete rooms try to build phantom dams with imaginary logs. People feel the urge for sex (because of the drive for reproduction) even when they know it won’t lead to reproduction. So our gratitude impulse could be part of our inbuilt calculator for fairness and reciprocity. This might have evolved so we wouldn’t let others cheat us, and it may have even led to mathematics. These urges of gratitude are nothing to be ashamed about.

Best question during Q&A after the talk: “When do you think we will able to criticise Islam without fearing for our lives?”

Were I in his place, I might have set my jaw and said, “Islam sucks. I ain’t askeert,” while mentally calculating my life insurance.

Dawkins instead suggested that he was not overly eager to insult Muslims. But (speaking to a hypothetical Muslim): “I may refrain from insulting you. I may refrain from publishing a cartoon of your prophet. But it’s because I fear you. Don’t think for one minute that it’s because I respect you.”

Worst question: A woman said that she was a believer, and that she was going to give gratitude that night… to god. (Boos, and people shushing the boo-ers.) Her question was about DNA: what is it, and could he explain how it had arisen?

Now I’m a human, so I’m pretty good at detecting intentions when someone asks a question, and I detected high levels of self-righteous smarm. It’s possible to ask that question in a way that says “Gee, I don’t really understand DNA, and could you explain it to me?” This wasn’t like that. She was saying “How do explain DNA without god, Mr Smarty-Dawkins?”

I don’t care if someone gives Dawkins a bit of stick; he can hack it. But it was a real shame that she decided to waste everyone’s limited question time with a question she hadn’t bothered to look up by, say, reading the relevant chapter in Dawkins’ book The Greatest Show on Earth.

That said, it was really great to hear Dawkins give us the run-through on DNA, which was basically out of the book. It was still a far better answer than she deserved.

Global Atheist Con, Day 3: Dan Barker

You could tell who the former true believers in the crowd were, just by looking at people who came out of Dan Barker’s talk. Atheists who were once casual believers or never-believers thought it was a great talk, while former true believers came out looking stunned, and saying, “That was just like my story.”

Dan Barker used to be a Christian preacher, but deconverted in 1984. He is now at the head of the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

He described his work in converting others to Christianity. “I never got any doors slammed in my face. I never got an informed response.” He surveyed the audience of atheists. “Where were you guys? I could have used you. You probablty didn’t say anything out of respect.

“Well, don’t do that.”

The striking thing for me was how he described having exactly the same kinds of feelings that Mormons describe as the feelings of the Spirit. I shouldn’t have been surprised, but I still am. Mormons customarily claim that non-Mormons don’t have regular access to the Holy Ghost. I have also heard some believers claim that the feelings of the Spirit is something that Satan cannot duplicate. But, as one should expect, there’s nothing unique about Mormon testimony. The ‘positive feelings’ Mormons get are in sync with the feelings felt by other believers and — dare I say? — non-believers.

Having been a believer once, he raised the question of how to have “dialogue without disprespect, and the answer is to respect them and the reasons why they believe…. I think there can be a small place for ridicule, if that’s not all we’re doing.”

From Barker: “Paul said, ‘God is not the author of confusion.’ But can you think of a book that’s caused more confusion than the Bible?”

Global Atheist Con, Day 3: Peter Singer

People get breathless about Peter Singer. I had the chance to catch up with our good friend snowqueen in Melbourne, and she was all, “OMG you’re going to see Peter Singer.” And I had to make a terrible confession: I haven’t really been aware of Peter Singer’s work since I read ‘Animal Liberation’ in the late 70’s. My mom showed it to me. She was convinced it was satire.

Since then, Singer become well-known with his work on ethics and the environment. His talk was called “Ethics Without Religion”.

He raised three points that believers often make when asking atheists how they can be moral without religion:

1. Who is to say what’s good or bad without a god?
This view provides a paradox: is something good simply because god likes it? Then goodness is arbitrary. But if you take the opposite view that god is good because he likes good things, then we could save time by ignoring god, and worshipping the set of values that he holds. Either god is an arbitrary tyrant, or there’s a notion of good that is independent of what god wills, and we don’t need a god to have it.

2. But if goodness is independent of god, maybe we still need god to reveal it to us.
Well, people with scriptures are very selective about the things they accept from scripture as ‘goodness’. They’re not using scripture — they’re using their own moral sense.

Singer mentioned that Jesus is not much help for Christians. According to him, divorce is adultery (though many Christians ignore this), he says nothing about abortion even though many Christians are certain it’s wrong, and he requires someone to sell everything he has, contrary to papal opulence and prosperity gospels.

3. Religion gives us the motivation to do what’s right by offering eternal rewards or punishments for our actions.

But does this help? We can compare the behaviour of religious v non-religious people. The notoriously religious USA doesn’t seem to offer a model of social utopia compared to secular Europe, which offers health care, lower crime, and higher rates of charity.

Singer makes the argument that human morality is an evolved phenomenon. We seem to come to similar moral judgments regardless of background. Singer points that in some cases there’s a ‘yuck’ factor to some of our moral judgments.

But this moral sense only works on situations that humans would have been familiar with, and in cases outside of human experience, our evolved response is not good enough. Xenophobia could be instinctive, but in our global post-tribal world, we need to get over it. Climate change is another issue that could be disastrous, but we don’t have an evolved response for it. It’s too gradual, too long-range.

Or consider this example posed by Singer: If a child was drowning, would you wade in, wrecking your pair of shoes? Of course. But for the cost of a pair of shoes, you could save the life of a child via Oxfam. It doesn’t hit us the same way, though, because the child is more remote. Again, our evolved response is not good enough.

Singer describes his sense of morality as concern for those people who could be affected by our actions. Are atheists borrowing morality from religion? Quite the reverse. Religion is borrowing from our innate moral sense.

Global Atheist Con: Zingers!

John Perkins: If religions were true, they would not be religion.

Jane Caro: At one point the church fathers debated whether women have souls. And they came to the wrong decision — they decided that we did. We don’t, but they don’t either.

Catherine Deveney: If there is anybody out there who is not an atheist, don’t worry: it’s an intelligence test and you will be eventually.

Robyn Williams: I can give you an argument against reigion in two words: ‘Senator Fielding‘.

Discuss.

Global Atheist Con, Day 2: A.C. Grayling

Philosopher A.C. Grayling spoke about the shift in the role of religion over the ages, and how humanism can replace it.

In earlier times, says Grayling, science and religion were viewed as competitors. They both made truth claims regarding the origin and destiny of the universe, and they were both covering the same turf.

Now, as science has been taking over the job of explaining the material world, religion has moved to attending to the emotional needs of adherents.

He discussed the claim that religion was a kind of proto-science — a ‘first try’ at explaining the world. He rejects the claim thus: People often ask if humans came from monkeys, and the answer is, no, actually monkeys and humans came from a common ancestor. In like fashion, science and religion also had a common ancestor, which was ignorance. Science has had more success.

How could science have evolved from religion? Science uses trial and error, effort, observation, and reason. Religion uses prayer. Try lighting your house by prayer and see if it works. How different they are. It’s like the difference between a ham sandwich and a bicycle.

Science doesn’t solve our moral problems. It would be like asking a botanist how best to love your wife. But we do have arts, music, and literature. We also have a responsibility to help the less fortunate, and one thing we can do is reduce the opprsession of religious groups upon them.

Humanism is capable of speaking to the enjoyment or refreshment or transcendence of our deep emotions. There’s no spirituality required. And it does this in a much more honest way than religons do.

Grayling: “People ask me ‘Why do you speak against religion when it gives someone comfort when they’re old and alone?’ But how much better would it be if friends and neighbours were there to give that person love?”

Global Atheist Con, Day 2: Taslima Nasrin

It was amazing to hear Taslima Nasrin‘s story. She’s a writer and a former Muslim. One article she wrote denounced the burqa as restrictive and unequal, and that women shouldn’t wear it. Because of her writings about how religion oppresses women, she has attracted demonstrations and violence from her detractors. She has five fatwas against her from Muslim clerics. Says Nasrin, “Don’t you think the believers commit blasphemy by trying to protect their god?”

I first became aware of Nasrin around 2005, when she was exiled from her native Bangladesh, but I had no idea her struggles were ongoing. The Indian government has forced her to leave her home in India, and she now lives in the West.

She told how as a child, her mother told her if she ever said anything bad about Allah, her tongue would fall out. A natural empiricist, she immediately ran to the bathroom, closed the door, and said “Allah is a son of a bitch. Allah is the son of a dog.” Miraculously, her tongue stayed in place, and she knew that her mother was wrong.

In her talk, Nasrin was critical of attempts on the part of Muslims to influence international laws curtailing free speech so as not to upset religious feelings, saying “Without the right to offend, freedom does not exist.”

She sees conflict between not Christianity and Islam, or between East and West. The conflict is between rationalism and irrational religious belief.

She told of how she longs to return to her home in Bangladesh, and how the West doesn’t feel like home to her. Nevertheless, to her, the international community of rationalists, secularists, and atheists are her home.

None of us who has left a religion has any idea what it’s like to have to worry about our safety like she does. And yet she continues to speak out against religion and governmental attempts to appease it. What an inspirational person.

Global Atheist Con, Day 2: Max Wallace

Max Wallace (director of ANZSA, the Australia New Zealand Secular Association) wants to make a movie. His topic is “The Delusion That We Pay For: How Taxpayers Subsidise Religions Worldwide and Why We Need a Film to Expose This”.

Through tax exemptions and privileges, we pay for the religious to be religious. Every available dollar should instead be used for education and science. Religions are on-shore tax havens for the promotion of supernaturalism. They are not held accountable for the money they make. They don’t pay for police and fire protections, property taxes, or capital gains tax. And let’s not forget their attempts to meddle in government affairs (e.g. Prop 8, though Wallace didn’t mention this explicitly).

Occasionally religions carry out terrorist activities, e.g. Aum Shinrikyo. It was tax-free. This means that the Japanese government was subsidising an organisation committed to its destruction.

He argues that the main consideration for religions is not God. It’s also not political power — it’s money, which confers political power.

According to Wallace, there are some determinations that the tax department uses to decide if a group qualifies for tax exemption under religious provisions. One is that you have to have a congregation of indeterminate size. Another is that you have to pay a stipend to a minister. In his experience, the main criteria for determining a religion is that your belief is supernatural.

It’s been said that nothing is certain except death and taxes. Religions think they can avoid death. They know they can avoid tax.

My take: I don’t have much experience in this area. But I would like to see religions pay their fair share. I did enjoy the talk — a good old rile-’em-up. Also, I’d go see that movie.

Global Atheist Con, Day 2: Phillip Adams

Philip Adams (author, columnist): “Atheist Fundamentalism: The Dangers of Missionary Zeal, Why We Mustn’t Be Like Them”

This was a strange talk. Phillip Adams is arguing that atheists haven’t had much influence on religion at all. He argues we’re not killing religions; they’re committing suicide. Further, the decrease in some religions is not leading to an increase in atheism, but rather an increase in pseudo-science and cults. Certainly atheism is the beneficiary of a lot of that religious mobility. But we can’t take credit for the decrease in conventional religion. These wounds are self-inflicted. We’re winning, but not because of what we’re doing.

We should attack religion when it moves into our area of secularism. But we shouldn’t be disagreeable on areas where we could be making allies. We must use the opportunities to make friends with people who are not our enemies. “Let us not cast them into the outer darkness into which they cast us. Let us be better than them.”

My view: Adams seems to feel that the pace of change is glacial. And yet here we are. The number of atheism and ‘nones’ is growing fast. Are we supposed to just quiet down now? Hell, no.

It’s not about being better. It’s about telling the truth. I say shake the tree. They won’t like it, but they wouldn’t like any amount of push-back. Their idea of a ‘good atheist’ is one that shuts up. What has that gotten us in the last 50 years? Yes, I will pick battles, and in person I’m actually polite. But I didn’t like having an atheist dampening the momentum.

Entertaining, but a bit of a downer. I wonder how I’ll feel about the atheist movement when I’ve been in it for as long as he has (if that’s possible).

I am not stalking PZ, but I bumped into him when no one else was around. I said, “Phillip’s talk was certainly a different view. Not so much ‘in your face’.”

He said, “That’s okay. We need that.”

“You’re more forward about it,” I suggested.

“We need that too,” he said.

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